The Barrack Obama prime time special

[Davetopper]

The first story is one I can relate to, disability. I don't have a torn this or that, but I ache all the time. It is waste to even throw away the deductible to see a doctor that tells me "take two aspirin and see if things improve". I didn't waste the call back.

The point is here that people actually do come down on hard times because they have medical problems. Imagine that, people need help, not a hand out. There is a difference.

[Dani Cutler]

People need help, not a hand out. I like that.

As for this, over all I was pretty unimpressed. Probably because he didn't say anything that I didn't know. All I kept thinking was "but will he do it?" to each issue. Still not a fan of his healthcare plan, because it doesn't help those currently unemployed and uninsured.

Great marketing though. Imagine if McCain did it? Democrats would have ripped him a new one for it! ;-)

[Frederick A. Babb]

It is good to see you being unbias Dani. Very refreshing (not that you aren't, but the media seems to be very pro-Obama) This 30 minutes of fluff was brought to the voting public with the questionable funding issues that Obama is involved in.

"The Obama team's disclosures came in response to questions from The Washington Post about the case of Mary T. Biskup, a retired insurance manager from Manchester, Mo., who turned up on Obama's FEC reports as having donated $174,800 to the campaign. Contributors are limited to giving $2,300 for the general election.

Biskup, who had scores of Obama contributions attributed to her, said in an interview that she never donated to the candidate. "That's an error," she said. Moreover, she added, her credit card was never billed for the donations, meaning someone appropriated her name and made the contributions with another card."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/28/AR2...

Can anyone smell fraud in this election...and not on the republican side as is the usual case. Yet, the media...we all know them...(NBC - National Barrack Channel, CBS - Channel of Barrack Services and ABC - Aligned with Barrack Channel) doesn't seem to mind turning a blind eye to this. They don't seem to mind that Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981 when Americans were prohibited in traveling to that country...but Indonisians weren't. They don't seem to mind that Obama identifies problems, but offers few soluctions other than "change". And heaven forbid if someone were to be negative against Obama. That person or organization would be labeled a racists and a Bush supporter. (Don't know which is worst...lol)

Everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon of spreading the wealth...but those supporting that cheer want to be on the receiving end of the spreading. The days of going out and pursuing the American dream are going to be over. The Obama American dream will be "get the rich to pay your bills". Somehow, I see the rich pulling their money out of circulation in the USA and placing it overseas where it isn't paying for a few hundred welfare parasites to stay at home and play video games. When the rich pull their money out of circulation, that is when you will see recession and depression set into the US economy.

So, when the smokes clears next Wednesday, remember that the voters were provided a bias image of this campaign and were brainwashed into believing who the media thought was the best candidate for their interests. McCain was hardly treated with the same fairness and special treatment as Obama and, when these scandals such as his fundraising start to show up, don't sit back and wonder why it wasn't said before. It was, but the majority were to deaf from the "change" cheers to hear the truth.

[Dani Cutler]

"Somehow, I see the rich pulling their money out of circulation in the USA and placing it overseas where it isn't paying for a few hundred welfare parasites to stay at home and play video games."

I may be critical of Obama- but that is a completely unfair statement. In case you haven't noticed, the economy is in pretty bad shape. Many are down on their luck right now and suffering hard times. They are not parasites.

For the record, I happen to like socialism. A hell of a lot better than capitalism. What is missed though, and spun by the media is that somehow Obama is a socialist. He is not.

The American dream is all ready gone. That is what happens when capitalism goes awry. I may not like Obama, but if they were my only two choices, well, I'd go with him over McCain.

Thank goodness they are not the only two choices, though...

[Frederick A. Babb]

I still have a problem in attempting to find fairness in saying "Take money from the rich and give it to the poor". I hate seeing the poor...those that can make a living but don't because they prefer to have the rich pay their bills...get a free handout.

I live in a socialism environment and can assure you it is far from fair. Let me give you an example. The government here takes out roughly 30% of my pay...or to put it in money value...about $2,000.00 for taxes. A friend pays 2% or roughly $100.00 a month. Obviously, our pays are different. I am a manager and he is a mason. We both have one child. At the end of the year, he gets back $1,200.00. Yep, that is right. He gets back all of the taxes paid during the year. I get back roughly the same $1,200.00. So, because I have a college degree and worked my way up the ladder, I am forced to pay the bills of those that decided to drop out of school and work. My friend ends up not paying taxes and I do.

Now, here is the real kicker. If we were both to lose our jobs tomorrow, I would get paid $1,300.00 in unemployement and....now find the fairness here...my friend would get the same. The socialist government put a cap on unemployment benefits so people like myself get some unemployment benefits while my friend....who virtually doesn't pay taxes...gets the same amount. You do call that fair? Is being successful and hardworking to move up the ladder a reason to take away money and give to those who conform with getting by on the easy road to life?

Sorry, Dani. It is easy to praise socialism from a far, but you need to really live in it before you sign up for it. It is only viewed as fair if you have nothing or very little...but if you do have something then you get the short end of the stick. Like I said before...those wanting to spread the wealth are the ones with the hands out; not the ones that have to give up some of their wealth. I guess earning one's worth in life is not on the agenda for the Obama supporters.

[Davetopper]

I feel sorry for you Fabb. I really do not know what more I can say, other than it isn't about you losing money to your socialist government.

A person makes less than 20000 a year and loses his job, but gets the same unemployment benefits as a person making more? Big freaking deal. A person making more should be able to pick up on savings. A person making less probably doesn't even have savings.

Two people, you and your friend I would say live separate and different lives. He lives within his means, and by the sounds of it, you live beyond yours.

He loses his job it makes a difference, to another, it may not.

In some cases the blame isn't even to lay on the government but the company that laid off the people.

And you still insist that the old, and the unhealthy are parasites. Life for them may be different for you. Easily different between you and I. But it isn't happening to you, therefor it isn't happening.

For anyone to be called a parasite is an opinion beyond reasoning with.

It almost comes to terms Fabb and you know them. An easy road to life? Walk up to a person in a wheel chair, or someone that has a disability, or a lack of capacity, and tell them THAT THEIR LIFE IS EASY!

[Davetopper]

I forget something about your other response there Fred. You deemed it unfair that McCain is getting bad press, and the democrats, and Obama not so much. Again that gets a little blood boiling. When you look at the last eight years.

After near a decade or more of republican BULLSHIT and the worst president in history and the media wants to throw a republican under a bus?

I don't have a problem with that. Not at all. Is it unfair? Uh no not really. Will it keep McCain out of the White House? Probably not.

[Frederick A. Babb]

I live beyond my means Topper? All you can get out of my sample of socialism is the mindset that, even though I have succeeded in life, I should continue to live as if I were 18 and making minimum wage so as I can give my money to the welfare state and...should I lose my job...I can afford the lower unemployment rates despite having to pay 1000% more than another? With a mindset like that, it is easier to understand why Obama is so popular. But if you flip through the historybook, you will find that living like that did happen once upon a time in the USSR. Needless to say, we all know how the story ended. If you take away the inspiration to succeed, you have a rather indifferent population remaining with production dropping and existing overtaking living life.

Should we all just live to make the ends meet, Dave? If we can have two...maybe get a little wild here and suggest three...meals a day and a roof over our heads we should be giving everything else to the person in the wheelchair or lack of capacity? Wake up Topper! The wheelchair doesn't mean a right to nor the acceptance of handouts. Look at Wayne Rainey and Frank Williams...or check the historybook again and check FDR. All have or had wheelchairs and don't or didn't need too many handouts.

The bleeding heart guilt trip may work for those that want to feel the need to help others...with the money of the rich...but I doubt very much if the average worker would be willing to give up the "nice to have" items in life like computers, video consoles, the latest CD/DVD, or a new car in order to help Willie the wino find a better way. Oh, wait, why have the average worker make sacrafices when you have the rich? The rich have more money than they can use and, if they live beyond their means...well shame on them for doing so.

Sad Dave. Really sad. You have failed to even attempt to convince me to the fairness of having the rich pay the bills for the poor. And, if you get away from the wheelchair class and go check out the welfare people...the ones capable of working but enjoy the handouts...who will have to doubt more the Obama "Robbing Hood" way of spreading the wealth.

Want proof? Here are the parasite reports:

http://blogpublic.lib.msu.edu/index.php/2008/02/13/welfare-fraud-ip...

http://www.dshs.wa.gov//pdf/ms/rda/research/11/137.pdf

"Welfare recipients and their friends and relatives could be defrauding taxpayers of $500 million a year through the county’s child-care programs, a grand jury report concludes."

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/jul/01/local/me-welfare1

"Fraud costs taxpayers more than $25 billion a year, said Thomas F. Wilson, vice president of Resource Management Laboratories Ltd. in Nevada City, Calif., a company that develops personal-identification systems. Passports, birth certificates, Social Security cards, drivers licenses and other documents are routinely counterfeited, he said."

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE5DC163AF935A357...

So, Topper, I have given fountains of funding to spread around by cutting out the fraud...without having to unfairly overtax the rich. You, on the other hand, seem to support the current fraud and demand that...instead of cutting down the fraud...we take the money from the rich to make up for the fraud.

The next time you walk up to a person in a wheel chair or someone that has a disability or a lak of capacity, tell them life is hell because their benefits are there but are being lost in fraud. And with Obama playing Robbing Hood, that trend should continue for the next four years.

[Frederick A. Babb]

You don't have a clue Ronald. Are handouts the way to live or is making something of yourself? Does one have to be down and out to appreciate Obama's plans? If so, that in itself would be a scary thought.

I don't know what it is like to be down because I have alway went out and looked for work, found it and succeeded. Does that make me responsible for those that don't? Sorry, but you nor Topper have provided anything convincing to back your beliefs. When you make good money you won't want to share it with those that don't. I hope someday you will be in that position to understand...and hopefully it will be through hard work and not Obama handouts.